Matt: I just don't understand why it's an application server. I'm probably too ignorant to appreciate the applicability of the nomenclature, but to me it doesn't fit.
Rod: Indeed, you do not understand. It is an application server because it provides a complete runtime environment that is an alternative to existing application server products. Spring is a part of it. It's sad to see you quoting the bitter FUD of Marc Fleury. He also doesn't understand the technology enough at this point to comment; he clearly has a vested interest in attacking SpringSource; and he's irrelevant to the future of the industry. Rgds Rod
Rod, I know you have a hard-on for JBoss, but keep your sprocket in your pocket. Funny how somebody with the personality of a cold cucumber sandwich suddenly finds his picante! Later in the thread the man lashes out at a Spring user for saying "this is not an app-server, why should I pay you for Spring?"
You haven't been in OSS any time at all if you haven't felt the urge to lash out at a customer, er user who refuses to pay his protection money, and that's the point. Open Source is a bitch. I sympathize. At JBoss, we called this the SMD moment.
Rod is wrong on a couple of things: I DO understand the technology enough to call it out for what it is "an emperor has no clothes" attempt to monetize his ISV base. I will respectfully point out that all this mumbo jumbo about modularity being a "quantum leap to the next generation" is just bullshit. We were peddling modular application servers with JBoss and its JMX base back in 2000, except we had real run-time substance behind it. This is almost 10 years old. We are looking at Tomcat and Hibernate (both from JBoss developers) with Spring, a modular kernel and a little bit of marketing bullshit sauce on top. What is new is the licensing gimmick. Licensing schmicensing. Your users are not dumb, they see right through this flat footed license change, don't get mad and patronize them when they call you out.
He got one thing right, though. I am becoming irrelevant to the industry. I have no troops to command any longer, I just write this blog. On the other hand, I did have the good taste to become irrelevant AFTER I exited the industry.