tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post7445748761154392765..comments2023-11-05T04:33:11.265-08:00Comments on Maison Fleury: Why I support SOPAadt43wt342http://www.blogger.com/profile/07557608193924044365noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-80700632366185769062012-05-30T00:03:46.015-07:002012-05-30T00:03:46.015-07:00TROLLTROLLWarrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00939266116141916774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-55265052378021665072012-02-09T01:31:44.697-08:002012-02-09T01:31:44.697-08:00MJB,
Interestingly it seems rather obvious tha...MJB, <br /><br /> Interestingly it seems rather obvious that strong IP law like patents should really have a per-industry focus. In software there are many abuses. Mention this to a lawyer and he looks at you like you are the devil.adt43wt342https://www.blogger.com/profile/07557608193924044365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-18659415151048367162012-02-08T18:07:05.686-08:002012-02-08T18:07:05.686-08:00I agree that piracy is not becoming suddenly OK ju...I agree that piracy is not becoming suddenly OK just because it is distributed through a TCP/IP bit torrent protocol. The Megaupload Kimdotcom was becoming rich by selling things that didn't belong to him. On the same ground I could start selling Greek Islands but to make it OK I would be using PayPal for the financial side of the transaction. <br />On another end, there would be much less piracy if the copyright period length was shorten to something more reasonnable. 7 Years for a song, 12 for a book and 18 for a movie for example.<br />Nowdays the periods are outrageously over-extended for any good reason. To compare with (I believe) a massive pharmaceutical investment that does not cover an exclusivity period of more than 20 years, including its long testing phase.MJBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04237761200847012414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-91928639292958369812012-01-21T05:20:26.346-08:002012-01-21T05:20:26.346-08:00Part 2 of my answer, since there is a 4096 charact...Part 2 of my answer, since there is a 4096 characters limit: <br> <br><br />What --I-- want is simple: For example, when The Hobbit has left post-production, I want to use my PayPal account to download a DRM-free BluRay-quality rip of that movie for a REASONABLE, FAIR price. Not 20 Euros. That's not reasonable. For a brand-new mainstream movie like this, I'd say that EUR 4,99 for DRM-free download is the maximum reasonable price. Older movies like, let's say, Clint Eastwood's Firefox should not cost more than EUR 1,99.<br><br />People will still pirate, even at that price. So in the end, maybe we should all simple pay a "culture flatrate" of 20 Euros or something per year and be allowed to download whatever content we want. There's still merchandise that artists can make money with. And there still is the James Bond movie business model where a new James Bond movie usually already is in the win-zone before it even hits the movie theaters (obviously, there is a market for product placements).<br><br />Most of us live in democracies, and there is one principle that all democracies are supposed to follow: When a majority of people does it, it is legal. And one of the laws of nature is that you either evolve or extinct. Nobody can turn back the wheel of time. The content industry is now facing the choice of extinction or evolution. They are trying to build prisons for majority of people to help their own primitive interests. But it is in the nature of man to find a way out of the prison and to revolt against their tyrants.Winnihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13037751388958977468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-72069109340259913532012-01-19T14:41:48.052-08:002012-01-19T14:41:48.052-08:00...and yet you, like so many others who play devil......and yet you, like so many others who play devil's advocate or not, have not shown any quantification for the 'losses' as related to 'piracy'. <br /><br />The reason is because - any statistics quoted do not suffer the context of the relevant industry's success. In fact, some reads make it fly in the face of the assertion that 'piracy' is bad for business.<br /><br />It's simply an argument for 'more'. And when that argument for more takes the form of money - ruled 'free speech' - by corporations that already control the industry - it begs to question who really wins. Is it the vague and mysterious 'job creators' who haven't been creating jobs?<br /><br />No, no, the whole notion of SOPA and PIPA does not bear scrutiny.Taran Rampersadhttp://www.opendepth.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-6682475216893952832012-01-19T09:52:33.862-08:002012-01-19T09:52:33.862-08:00unsubscribeunsubscribeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-37610165867696521982012-01-19T03:56:17.157-08:002012-01-19T03:56:17.157-08:00problem is if the system does not punish police, w...problem is if the system does not punish police, which has been the general trend. challenge: find 5 cases where police were punished -- long-term, not slap on wrist -- for bad behavior.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-75032987600095486162012-01-18T16:22:13.922-08:002012-01-18T16:22:13.922-08:00Of further note, I'll highlight that when I me...Of further note, I'll highlight that when I mention IP, I'd been referencing it in the context of "Internet Protocol"<br />NOT<br />"Intellectual Property"<br /><br />I think that was understood, but I just want to stress that.<br />"Intellectual Property" I'd just call Intellectual Property.<br />"Internet Protocol" on the other hand I'm used to, and always have, simply referenced as IP.AlNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-3296715367410041212012-01-18T16:06:23.644-08:002012-01-18T16:06:23.644-08:00"It will stifle innovation
This one again baf..."It will stifle innovation<br />This one again baffles me. How can this legislation be used to kill startups? If it is, whomever is doing it should be prosecuted."<br /><br />I would direct you to the Yochai Benkler's work "The Wealth of Networks" where he covers the topic in great detail. In nutshell his point is not that IP and copyright law are evil. They simply the least efficient mechanisms to manage information and knowledge. Here are some quotes:<br /><br />"When one cuts through<br />the rent-seeking politics of intellectual property lobbies like the pharmaceutical companies or Hollywood and the recording industry; when one overcomes the honestly erroneous, but nonetheless conscience-soothing beliefs of lawyers who defend the copyright and patent-dependent industries<br />and the judges they later become, the reality of both theory and empirics in the economics of intellectual property is that both in theory and as far as empirical evidence shows, there is remarkably little support in economics for regulating information, knowledge, and cultural production through the tools of intellectual property law"<br /><br />...<br /><br />"Once we recognize that there are diverse strategies of appropriation for information production, we come to see a new source of inefficiency caused by strong “intellectual property”-type rights. They raise the expected returns from information production, and thereby are thought to induce investment in information production and innovation. However, they also increase the costs of information inputs. If existing innovations are more likely covered by patent, then current producers will more likely have to pay for innovations or uses that in the past would have been available freely from the public domain. Whether, overall, any given regulatory change that increases the scope of exclusive rights improves or undermines new innovation therefore depends on whether, given the level of appropriability that preceded it, it increased input costs more or less than it increased the prospect of being paid for one’s outputs."Andreihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12554320008652447175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-9680426993542486212012-01-18T14:29:41.267-08:002012-01-18T14:29:41.267-08:00They allow for circumvention, which I already high...They allow for circumvention, which I already highlighted<br />DIRECTLY FROM SOPA'S CURRENT WRITING how this comes to effect things like TOR, i2p, anonymous proxies, darknets etc.<br /><br />I also noted section 105 of the bill in regard to how gov. may use the bill in order to basically<br />"BAN EVERYTHING" it does not like. (such as Wikileaks, a Cryptome, a Pastebin, ReEdit, i2p, etc.)<br /><br />I repeat, this quote DIRECTLY from SOPA.<br />"against any entity that knowingly <br />and willfully provides or offers to provide a product or service designed or marketed by such entity or by another in concert with such entity for the circumvention or <br />bypassing of measures described in paragraph (2) and taken in response to a court order issued under this subsection, to enjoin such entity from interfering with the order by continuing to provide or offer to <br />provide such product or service."<br /><br />In short, all you need is a couple idiots saying an encrypted decentralized darknet, such as the freenet project, can be used to anonymously post and download pirated software. <br />At which point Freenet becomes a "circumvention" method, and within the language of the bill, should then be banned.<br /><br />The mere fact is that this can take place within any VPN however. Even corporate. And to such ends we end up with cases such as I highlighted before, where corps and govs should become subject to their own absurdities.....but we've already seen that within practice, this is not what happens.<br />(note previous example of the RIAA saying "we don't care that it was our own IPs caught pirating, it wasn't us and must have been a third party" <br />and similar with the French gov including Sarkozy residence.....<br />which I'll remind you stated "good for him" on pirating porn)<br /><br />What this shows is a "pick and choose only WHO\WHAT WE DON'T LIKE" in real actualized practice.<br />http://bit.ly/tY94ok<br />And as I noted prior as well, MANY past examples go to show that "WHO\WHAT WE DON'T LIKE" doesn't even have to make any sense.<br />http://bit.ly/wx4uhq<br />The recent Prince DMCA case would be another fine example of things heading off into nonsense land.<br /><br />While I have the utmost respect for you, I question if you've actually read\looked over the bills.<br /><br />These bills don't have the mere "potential" for abuse. Any practical means of making them function within the way they are written DEMANDS abuse.<br />Abuse both government and groups like the RIAA\MPAA have already proven on MULTIPLE counts they will not just engage in, but will often push to the most absurd of limits.AlNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-27585958064515570272012-01-18T11:39:12.707-08:002012-01-18T11:39:12.707-08:00anon,
funny, i think I know exactly who you are ...anon, <br /><br />funny, i think I know exactly who you are just by the tone. And yeah, your gut tells you something different than mine.adt43wt342https://www.blogger.com/profile/07557608193924044365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-84772414207866566242012-01-18T11:38:17.376-08:002012-01-18T11:38:17.376-08:00Because very simply put ALN darknets and bitcoin d...Because very simply put ALN darknets and bitcoin do not infringes IP and therefore would not encounter an order to discontinue offering the service.adt43wt342https://www.blogger.com/profile/07557608193924044365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-40929660927318882552012-01-18T11:15:16.426-08:002012-01-18T11:15:16.426-08:00SOPA would put an end to such tools given their ab...SOPA would put an end to such tools given their ability to allow circumvention.<br /><br />"against any entity that knowingly <br />and willfully provides or offers to provide a product or service designed or marketed by such entity or by another in concert with such entity for the circumvention or <br />bypassing of measures described in paragraph (2) and taken in response to a court order issued under this subsection, to enjoin such entity from interfering with the order by continuing to provide or offer to <br />provide such product or service."<br /><br />This section and language was purposely added to the bill by Smith in order to block means of circumventing SOPA.<br />And as such, I must ask again, how does one orchestrate such without IP blocking and DPI filtering?<br /><br />How does this NOT attack the use of darknets as a whole?<br /><br />For that matter, combined with the circumvention talk, how does Section 105 of the bill not put an end to things like BitCoin and else? How does a Wikileaks (recall "blood on their hands"\"National Security Threat" arguments) not come out as endangering "health" or simply nailed by copyright arguments. <br />(review Scientology arguments on Wikileaks)<br /><br />I would suggest looking at the bills (SOPA\PIPA), and then asking<br />"how does this all work out in practical fashion?"<br /><br />From what I understand, regardless of how the bills were written, you seem to simply trust "they wouldn't do things like that."<br />But you do this without offering any sort of evidence of why they should be trusted and ignore TONS of evidence of past behavior that shows they should not.AlNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-84437039797400853472012-01-18T11:12:32.811-08:002012-01-18T11:12:32.811-08:00Most people will disagree with you, and I think yo...Most people will disagree with you, and I think you know that. Most, however, won't take time to bother with communicating with you to that effect. It comes down to values and values are subjective and individual.<br /><br />At the end of the day, it's a gut check. Are things good as they are or do we need new legislation? <br /><br />Unless you are like Rupert Murdoch and hopelessly, desperately invested in the way things are, desperate to keep things the same, you're going to oppose this legislation. <br /><br />At the end of the day, this legislation will accomplish little. Culture is shifting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-30277924050977061692012-01-18T10:40:14.844-08:002012-01-18T10:40:14.844-08:00I don't claim you should stop P2P or TOR. :)I don't claim you should stop P2P or TOR. :)adt43wt342https://www.blogger.com/profile/07557608193924044365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-22204043986765111102012-01-18T10:34:57.499-08:002012-01-18T10:34:57.499-08:00Tools that provide "access" to piracy ar...Tools that provide "access" to piracy are to be blocked.<br />Tell me how you block something like TOR, i2p, or vpn systems without DPI filtering.<br /><br />Similarly, if these tools are to be blocked, or even throttled down, please explain how it does not become a free speech issue.<br /><br />Also of question, have you followed the pursuits of the RIAA, MPAA, and\or their methods as it relates to stopping piracy?<br />http://bit.ly/wx4uhq<br />Or oddly, recent arguments they've made themselves on why SOPA\PIPA could not work<br />http://bit.ly/tY94ok <br /><br />On an aside, as it regards things like police:<br />http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_19738828<br />AND<br />http://bit.ly/xSpLWOAlNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-86752203000958535262012-01-18T09:44:21.317-08:002012-01-18T09:44:21.317-08:00police abuse has to be prosecuted and no, the poli...police abuse has to be prosecuted and no, the police abuse does not justify no police. 0.001% abuse does not justify "not building it in the first place".adt43wt342https://www.blogger.com/profile/07557608193924044365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-29021496502254835812012-01-18T09:13:55.469-08:002012-01-18T09:13:55.469-08:00hm, i see a lot of videos online where police and ...hm, i see a lot of videos online where police and soldiers are getting away with horrible injustices. they are allowed.<br /><br />do you trust the police system? even 1% of 1% injustice by corrupt police is enough to start shutting the system down. or never build it in the first place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com