tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post6480546639556816822..comments2023-11-05T04:33:11.265-08:00Comments on Maison Fleury: The Brotherhood is Displeasedadt43wt342http://www.blogger.com/profile/07557608193924044365noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-6670356060557160522007-12-04T11:16:00.000-08:002007-12-04T11:16:00.000-08:00Maybe the Apache guys would have better luck stand...Maybe the Apache guys would have better luck standing on a street corner with a "Will work for Food" sign than whining publicly about who "owes" you money. <BR/><BR/>(Just a tip, I flick my lit cigarettes at those people, so wear something non-flammable.)Roy Russohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09423697973167398758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-54219345055472547982007-12-03T11:41:00.000-08:002007-12-03T11:41:00.000-08:00Personally, I think Marc's hit on Apache is self-s...Personally, I think Marc's hit on Apache is self-serving, just like the jboss license and his sale to RedHat. Yeah, from the perspective of a rad developer team, they are right. From the perspective of small businesses, small nonprofits and other people who want to get ahead in the world, I'll take the BSD license every time. In a similar note, why do you think Bernstein PD'ed Qmail? I suppose the Red Hat people will berate him for that too.sourceviewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16028080331498696489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-18186831422950255892007-11-28T15:16:00.000-08:002007-11-28T15:16:00.000-08:00Yes, you're quite right in the first paragraph.But...Yes, you're quite right in the first paragraph.<BR/><BR/>But why shouldn't it?<BR/><BR/>It shouldn't have come under the public spotlight to begin with. But once the issue arises, inevitably it'll end up just as a war about that.<BR/><BR/>I'm not strong in the lines of these issues, myself being fairly new to the open-source field. However just going from the simple etiquette protocol, it's hard to argue against giving credit to someone for their work, or if you make money off it, to share some of that (not like they're asking for a whole lot).<BR/><BR/>But hey, if you want to be a (insert slang word here) about it, go ahead. No law is stopping you.Vadim Peretokinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05972553368691310521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-53370644096451245102007-11-28T13:32:00.000-08:002007-11-28T13:32:00.000-08:00Hello Vadim,Could you please list a society in whi...Hello Vadim,<BR/><BR/>Could you please list a society in which charity is a good business model? While you're at it, would you please list a pure Capitalist society? (Keep in mind that the moment tax incentives are given to any industry/business, that society is no longer Capitalist.)<BR/><BR/>Sharing is a personal matter and should not be coerced by public humiliation. Your intentions I'm sure are admirable, but your means are dubious.Bill Pynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12540701365860271621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-8774285072448122902007-11-28T12:23:00.000-08:002007-11-28T12:23:00.000-08:00Yeah, charity is -not- a good business model. Not ...Yeah, charity is -not- a good business model. Not in a capitalist society anyway.<BR/><BR/>But it's just basic respect that you at least share. It's not like they're asking for over 1% - giving them that even would make everybody happy and not break anyones bank.<BR/><BR/>(it all depends on how high do you take your ego)Vadim Peretokinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05972553368691310521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-88988639626801785062007-11-27T19:12:00.000-08:002007-11-27T19:12:00.000-08:00I think you should start a foundation to fund the ...I think you should start a foundation to fund the foundation:) Maybe it will be a good tax deduction. Or even better, take the money that the Geronimo team would have had if they had not stabbed JBoss in the back and put it in an interest bearing account, give them access to log in and look t the balance and puke:) Software is for love after all though, isn't it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-24358513774319267492007-11-27T09:56:00.000-08:002007-11-27T09:56:00.000-08:00ASF Business Plan1) Write shit code2) Vote2) Beg p...ASF Business Plan<BR/><BR/>1) Write shit code<BR/>2) Vote<BR/>2) Beg people to use it<BR/>3) Vote Again<BR/>4) Demand payment<BR/>5) Do some more votingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-29806324336435284812007-11-27T09:38:00.000-08:002007-11-27T09:38:00.000-08:00juha, shit you are awake.what? Who? Me?no, not exa...juha, shit you are awake.<BR/>what? Who? Me?<BR/>no, not exactly self....adt43wt342https://www.blogger.com/profile/07557608193924044365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-57526579524988482762007-11-27T09:35:00.000-08:002007-11-27T09:35:00.000-08:00Anonymous,I mean just that. I find it funny when c...Anonymous,<BR/>I mean just that. I find it funny when c hackers dismiss java's dominance of the enterprise application landscape primarily as just a marketing ploy. Doesn't it crack you up?adt43wt342https://www.blogger.com/profile/07557608193924044365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-40322601751206971682007-11-27T09:29:00.000-08:002007-11-27T09:29:00.000-08:00bill,Exactly. Without reciprocity built in the lic...bill,<BR/>Exactly. Without reciprocity built in the license, you appeal to people's good will. Reminds me of your entry on radioheads experiment asking for money in exchange for free downloads. Charity is not a business model, by definition.adt43wt342https://www.blogger.com/profile/07557608193924044365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-85941785387267972552007-11-27T09:14:00.000-08:002007-11-27T09:14:00.000-08:00vadim,people who have tried the formula you descri...vadim,<BR/>people who have tried the formula you describe have not been very successful, at least in the os and appserver markets. <BR/>Professional open source was more about developping software and distributing it and selling it for a cost of say 80 at price of 100 and a profit of 20. The formula you talk about is naive, someone has to pay for the activity and we funded development and we were the legitimate purveyors of support as a result.adt43wt342https://www.blogger.com/profile/07557608193924044365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-6959199395338890292007-11-27T09:06:00.000-08:002007-11-27T09:06:00.000-08:00Self-censoring? :-)I swear I saw a reference here ...Self-censoring? :-)<BR/><BR/>I swear I saw a reference here that is now gone.... but just as well, why beat the beaten, right?Juha Lindforshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10913597885618265996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-6699891847732322182007-11-27T09:05:00.000-08:002007-11-27T09:05:00.000-08:00> "historical hostility to Java"What d'u mean?> "historical hostility to Java"<BR/>What d'u mean?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-6814575143008549712007-11-27T08:36:00.000-08:002007-11-27T08:36:00.000-08:00We already "give back" to Apache by funding the wo...We already "give back" to Apache by funding the work done by Remy and Mladen. Beyond that, we're supposed to pay a royalty for using log4j?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-81751515281596955432007-11-27T08:11:00.000-08:002007-11-27T08:11:00.000-08:00It always cracks me up when I see open source grou...It always cracks me up when I see open source groups like apache whining that no one donates money to them. It reminds me of people that do something I don't ask them to (like wash my windshield), and then demand payment. If you want to make money, you have to <B>earn</B> it.<BR/><BR/>It also amazes me that they still think they wrote the massive codebase sitting in the JBoss svn servers. Perhaps they are thinking of Elba, oh wait, they didn't write that either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-17237868656318527022007-11-27T06:56:00.000-08:002007-11-27T06:56:00.000-08:00Take something for $0, sell for $>1, = profit.That...Take something for $0, sell for $>1, = profit.<BR/><BR/>That's what Asus & others are doing these days, so you aren't any special.<BR/><BR/>Enjoy the moolah!Vadim Peretokinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05972553368691310521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-68384329933184307722007-11-27T06:17:00.000-08:002007-11-27T06:17:00.000-08:00Based upon the info found in Ralph Keyes' Quote Ve...Based upon the info found in Ralph Keyes' Quote Verifier the thought expressed in the intro quote likely originated with Woodrow Wilson and has several more recent reincarnations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-83609963148069569772007-11-26T18:44:00.000-08:002007-11-26T18:44:00.000-08:00I believe the intro quote is from Daniel Patrick M...I believe the intro quote is from Daniel Patrick Moynahan. I'm an entrepreneur who was raised as the son of a college professor, so I always got a kick out of it. So true.Waythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08264239284930248248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-35486821392668209472007-11-26T06:09:00.000-08:002007-11-26T06:09:00.000-08:00winfred,to be sure there are fanatics on GPL as we...winfred,<BR/>to be sure there are fanatics on GPL as well. I have encountered many folks with strong opinions on GPL and BSD. My personal opinion is that it doesn't really matter although I tend to prefer reciprocity than not.adt43wt342https://www.blogger.com/profile/07557608193924044365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-663998076511109850.post-515259178886243832007-11-25T19:52:00.000-08:002007-11-25T19:52:00.000-08:00Marc,That's strange, so far, I've only met people ...Marc,<BR/><BR/>That's strange, so far, I've only met people who were fanatic about the GPL... Maybe that's just another evidence for the diversity of "The Community".<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your blog and Grüsse aus Deutschland,<BR/>W.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com